MINUTES FOR AUGUST 1, 2000 IAB FACE-FACE MEETING

PRESENT:
Ran Atkinson
Harald Alvestrand
Fred Baker (IETF Chair)
Steve Bellovin
Randy Bush (IESG liaison)
Brian Carpenter
Jon Crowcroft
Leslie Daigle
Steve Deering
Tony Hain
Geoff Huston
John Klensin (IAB Chair)
Joyce Reynolds (RFC Editor liaison)
Henning Schulzrinne
Abel Weinrib (IAB Executive Director)


NEXT MEETING:
Teleconference 10AM (Eastern time) Monday, August 14.

NEW ACTION ITEMS:
* Brian Carpenter: Arrange "middle boxes" IAB workshop.
* Harald Alvestrand: Arrange "International Internet" IAB workshop. Fred 
Baker, Randy Bush, John Klensin... site committee.

OLD ACTION ITEMS:
* Tony Hain: Contact Charlie Perkins re. future of "case for IPv6" 
document; decide how to make progress.
        = Ongoing
* Henning Schulzrinne: Telephony Services PSTN interworking draft as an IAB 
document.
         = Ongoing.
* Rob Austein and Brian Carpenter: Review and potentially update RFC 1958
         = Ongoing.

IAB DRAFTS IN PROGRESS:
* Geoff Huston: QOS
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-qos-01.txt
        = Ongoing. .02 version circulated to IAB for comments. Send to IESG 
for publication as Informational RFC.
* Erik Huizer: Network Layer Workshop report.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iab-ntwlyrws-over-03.txt
         = Ongoing. In RFC Editor queue.
* Ran Atkinson: Security considerations, including common security attacks.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rescorla-sec-cons-01.txt
        = Ongoing. References need to be cleaned up, then send to IESG for 
publication as BCP.
* Harald Alvestrand: Directory definitions.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-alvestrand-directory-defs-00.txt
         = Ongoing.
* Tony Hain: NAT/VPN
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-nat-implications-07.txt
        = Ongoing. Send to IESG for publication as Informational RFC.
* Leslie Daigle: Security, firewalls, proxies, etc.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iab-firewall-req-02.txt
        = Ongoing. Send to IESG for publication as Informational RFC.
* Steve Bellovin: Applicability statement for security building blocks.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iab-secmech-01.txt
         = Ongoing.
* Tony Hain: The case for IPv6.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-iab-case-for-ipv6-06.txt
         = Ongoing.
* Steve Deering: Routing Workshop report as Informational RFC.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-rtrws-over-03.txt
         = Ongoing. In RFC Editor queue.
* Brian Carpenter: Wireless workshop report.
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-wirelessws-00.txt
        = Ongoing. Last call has been sent to workshop list.

1. review actions
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see above
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2. review drafts in progress
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see above
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3. Themes & workshops for this year
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Middle boxes
(Jon Crowcroft presents; ftp://cs.ucl.ac.uk/darpa/mw.ppt.gz)
The e-middle war--the end of the end-end principle?
    can we refine the architecture that says what goes in the middle?
    what "we" like: performance enhancements; soft state
       explicitly-addressable boxes
    what "we" don't like: ALGs, "transparent proxies"; statefull NATs
    impedance mismatches abound
       buffer cost vs. transmission --> cache
       loss/delay/throughput --> snoop
       private/public --> firewall
       homogeneous vs. heterogeneous --> intranet vs. Internet
    is statefullness next to devil-worship?
       SMTP, etc. all work hop-by-hop...
    Who are "we"?
    Dumb net, smart edge or vice-versa?
    Real life
       replications of services for mirroring, demand-caching
          or transcoding, redirection for load balancing
       need a router substrate to export more info, and an
          application level routing framework
    So...
       keep an eye on programmable networks and active services
       eternal vigilance to point out middle war-e boxes that are pointless
    Constructive:
       have an IAB application level routing workshop?
       write a draft on soft state
       write a draft on optimization-type proxies (good)
    Destructive:
       more transparency/IPv6/anti-NAT drafts
Lots of IAB interest in this topic... Brian Carpenter will plan workshop in 
Spring '01.

Current list:
    Middle boxes
    QoS and high availability
    Integrity of infrastructure (availability):
        DNS and routing
    Another directory workshop?
    International (charsets & identifiers)
      this is a hot topic; lots of interest in doing it asap
           (week of 9/11? 9/18?)
           Korea? Japan?

New topics:
    instant messaging
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ICANN, PSO, IANA, etc.
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Wide ranging discussions re. ongoing issues with ICANN, PSO, IANA, etc. 
were enjoyed by all.
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Future Meetings
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Regular teleconference second Monday of the month at 10:00 AM Eastern Time.
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These minutes were prepared by Abel Weinrib, weinrib@intel.com. An online 
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